Sunday, October 25, 2009

 

How to access online BCSC listings: first, forget about the old 3-click process ...

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The following comment is re-posted today because of the difficulties people are having with accessing the pre-trial hearing dates for the BC Rail Case in time to attend.

Please add your own thoughts about this, because it's a matter of bedrock importance: to SEE that justice is being done in BC's courts and courtrooms, all of which the public is paying for. This is something to safeguard as the foundation of a democratic society.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Not today? Yah, well ... there probably IS a Basi-Virk hearing in BCSC today, and they'll tell us when it's too late to attend":



As much as we have come to rely heavily upon the internet to find out the smallest detail, including BC Supreme Court Hearing Lists, the Attorney General of British Columbia via his revamped website has declared that its up to the public to phone the the Court Registry to determine exactly when a Hearing is to take place.

Gordon Campbell talks about tightening the belt, the cupboard is bare (Million dollar purchasing of 2010 Winter Olympics exempted...unless of course you read Mike Smyth's column today in the Vancouver Province newspaper where he states that taxpayers dollars have ponied up $3 million via municipalities and Crown corporation)...... staff are being laid off, or to more accurate, the crime spree with multiple killings this year that resulted in more trials coming on line, not to be confused with online .... via the internet highway.... the gallery public is now required to pick up the phone and WAIT, WAIT, WAIT for someone to say "How may I help you?"

Just what is the problem with one Court Registry employee posting his Hearing List on the internet after 6:00am so that those who have been called by the Court to ATTEND the proceedings can actually do so without having to wait for someone to ask if the BC Rail trial is a go or not.

And then can the public believe the answer from a harassed court official that there is going to be something not happening when it turns out to be that there is something happening.

For the facts, the full FAX:

Vancouver Law Courts (Supreme Court only)

Law Courts, 800 Smithe Street

Vancouver, B.C. V6Z 2E1

Tel: 604 660-2847

Fax: 604 660-2420

PS BC Mary could you add this information to your LINK section of your blog instead of relying only on the internet to make the connections as to who will be in court, or not.
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BC Mary comments: I'm probably just as puzzled as anybody else. For example, this process requires the public to wait until regular 9 to 5 office hours before placing such a call. This means that, before citizens can pull on their boots and run out the door, the hearings have already begun. (Assuming that each citizen is free to take the day off and free to leave home for the day.) So what are the options available to citizens?

CanWest media has gone broke -- which means that there's little to no public reporting on the Basi Virk / BC Rail Case. Not like the CanWest fixation upon the gruesome Pickton murders (and how helpful was that?).

We know now (too late) that there were Basi Virk pre-trial hearings all week, from Oct. 19 to 23, 2009 but the public was NOT informed in time.

Bill Tieleman was unavoidably delayed and missed a lot of this. Robin Mathews reported on Wed., Oct. 21 but since then, he's been out of town for a few days with his family. The Globe and Mail, BC edition, had one column for the week of hearings.


The public can't do its own due diligence because of distance and economics. But also because they can't find out whether or not there's a further hearing in the BC Rail Case. Previously, they could find out at 6:30 AM on the very day of the hearing. But since Oct. 19, to our knowledge, the public can't find out at all ... not until it's too late to attend. This happened 5 days in a row and cannot be co-incidence or clerical error.

Does this sound like the perfect time for the Attorney General to revise and complicate matters? No, it certainly does not. It sounds like the perfect time for an alert, responsible Attorney General to make absolutely sure that citizens can at least find out WHEN and WHERE to attend. It's no great intellectual challenge: let the court system post the schedule the day before the hearings! [How on earth does the Judge know when and where to show up for work?]

In the Geof Plant era, $7.2 million of BC taxpayers' dollars was spent to create the amazing Courtroom 20 with special emphasis on media facilities. [Click
HERE see "AIR INDIA TRIAL, Media Information Package".]

There are already TV cameras in place in Courtroom 20. The provincial government has its own dedicated broadcast channel. It would cost nothing to provide access to the trial of Basi, Virk, and Basi. From what I can find out: somebody in authority must ask the Judge to authorize this. My polite requests to the lawyers remain unanswered.


The BC Rail Case is important to every British Columbian. Will the current AG Michael de Jong, press the button which makes the BC Rail hearings and trial accessible to every community throughout British Columbia?


Someone suggested we write to the Attorney General. Let's do that. There's an easy message-format provided on the AG's web-site, by clicking
HERE, or copy and paste this URL into your browser:
http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/contacts/emailag.htm

Or Michael de Jong, invites us to contact him at his constituency office:

Abbotsford West Constituency Office
103-32660 George Ferguson Way

Abbotsford, BC V2T 4V6


Phone: (604) 870-5486

Fax: (604) 870-5444

Email: Mike.deJong.MLA@leg.bc.ca
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Something else from our valued commentor:

Hello BC Mary,

I'm the Anonymous author of "For the facts, the full FAX:"

As I clicked on Published I realized that although the BC Rail trial effects all British Columbians, the phone number listed for citizens to call, whether they live in Kelowna, Cranbrook, or somewhere on Vancouver Island, is 604 (Metro Vancouver), its not a 1-800 number where the cost would be borne by the Courts instead of by the person who is phoning and once they get on line they are asked to "Wait, Wait, Wait", and then hangs up in frustration and the cost of a mounting phone bill.

On another issue within this trial, of the failure of the government to disclose all documents, one that hasn't been mentioned, although the defense team is succeeding, somewhat to gain access to the Executive emails, what they haven't asked for are the ENCRYPTED emails/Word Documents, nor the SCRAMBLED phone calls from the Premier's office to his minister and PAB aides.... which came into being shortly after the raid on the Legislature.

Why? Why are public documents being encrypted, why are phone calls being scrambled?
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BC Mary Comment: Someone else, I hope, can answer your very interesting questions about ENCRYPTED and SCRAMBLED information which, even as we speak, could be the evidence required somewhere, sometime in the history books even if not in Court.

As for the question of a 1-800 number for communities outside Vancouver, I found it: Enquiry BC, that central BC govt call centre where somebody explains who it is you need to talk to, and even connects you (no charge) with the correct department. Yes, the handy numbers that should get access for any British Columbian, are as follows:

ENQUIRY BC:

Vancouver: (604) 660-2421
Victoria (250) 387-6121
Outside Vanc & Vic: 1-800-663-7867.

Many thanks, Anonymous commentor. - BC Mary.


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Comments:
Hello BC Mary,

I'm the Anonymous author of "For the facts, the full FAX:"

As I clicked on Published I realized that although the BC Rail trial effects all British Columbians, the phone number listed for citizens to call, whether they live in Kelowna, Cranbrook, or somewhere on Vancouver Island, is 604 (Metro Vancouver), its not a 1-800 number where the cost would be borne by the Courts instead of by the person who is phoning and once they get on line they are asked to "Wait, Wait, Wait", and then hangs up in frustration and the cost of a mounting phone bill.

On another issue within this trial, of the failure of the government to disclose all documents, one that hasn't been mentioned, although the defense team is succeeding, somewhat to gain access to the Executive emails, what they haven't asked for are the ENCRYPTED emails/Word Documents, nor the SCRAMBLED phone calls from the Premier's office to his minister and PAB aides.... which came into being shortly after the raid on the Legislature.

Why? Why are public documents being encrypted, why are phone calls being scrambled?
 
Mary, we'll see BVB in courtroom 20 when hell freezes over! The government AND supreme court obviously do NOT want us to see or hear what goes on in this trial.

My guess is the judge knows exactly when and where to show up for work, likely weeks in advance...don't expect them to share that information with us. This is just further proof of the total and absolute corruption of our government and legal system. There IS no other explanation. Can't you picture it now...the whole lot standing in a nice straight line - thumbing their noses at the entire province.

These two entities are now so crooked they make a corkscrew look straight! In my opinion.

Anon 11:49 asks one of the best questions I've seen in a long time - "Why? Why are public documents being encrypted, why are phone calls being scrambled?" And why is that question not being asked in the court that is "supposed" to give a damn about law and justice?

It's time for the supreme court and government to be gently dismantled by those who pay their obscene salaries. No law at all is better than what we have now.
 
Leah and Anon above, the reason that we are not being told when to arrive for a BBV trial now is because of the location of the Vancouver Court buildings. Its within VanOc's security bubble zone.
 
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I don't think so, 12:59,

because of the very important fact I forgot to mention ...

ONLY THE BASI VIRK BASI LISTINGS WERE MISSING ...

and they were missing FOR EACH OF THE 5 DAYS

AND CORRECTED ONLY AT MID-DAY WHICH (UNLESS YOU LIVED IN THE ATTIC OF THE LAW COURTS) MEANS YOU COULDN'T GET INTO THE BVB COURTROOM BEFORE THE HEARING WAS OVER.

May I suggest there's no point trying to paper over the fact that something is very wrong with this picture ... and it's no accident.

Plus: I have to hear an "OOps, sorry!" before I can even begin to try to see these 5 days as accidental ... and there hasn't been even that much. Most of all ...

READ MY LIPS: ONLY BASI, VIRK, BASI HEARINGS WERE LEFT OFF THE EARLY LISTS ... FOR 5 CONSECUTIVE DAYS ... EVEN AFTER PEOPLE HAD PHONED THE COURT REGISTRY OFFICE.

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Oh yeah ... and do I need to add this? All the other cases were shown as usual:

Names, charges, room numbers, start-times, where the alleged crimes had occurred, all that stuff.

All of it.

But not for Basi, Virk, Basi ... and then ... when it was too late for it to allow people to attend ... the whole shebang for Basi, Virk, Basi, was posted in plain view.

Explain that if you can.
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Lucky you, when I went looking for Vancouver Court listing none of the them were available. Yes to the rest of the Province, not so for the Vancouver bubble zone.
 
Although not BC Rail, but still potentially implicating Gordo in another legal fiasco.

http://www.terracedaily.ca/show4911a/VILLAGE_OF_KITAMAAT_OFFICES_SEARCHED
 
Anonymous 6:25,

That's a virtual gold-mine of information ... many thanks for the tip on Terrace Daily Online, I'll visit them often.

Imagine: Gordo is alleged to be implicated in fraud leading to the crippling of BC Hydro ... and we've never read about that in our local CanWest newspapers!
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Maybe the reason that CanWest hasn't put it into its newspapers is because the BC Liberal, via their pAB, has a stangle hold on all sources.

Yes the Court cases have been slowly winding their way through due process, but there are enough of us, citizen journalist, that should have been looking everywhere instead of waiting for CanWest to do an expensive FOI.

Terrace Daily Online along with Prince George's newspaper has been covering this issue since 2007, but where have we been, ... focussing on BC Rail and the Premier's involvement with Kinsella and the head of CNR in their secret meetings.

Is not this latest revelation of Gordon Campbell, who represents the "government" that supposedly made a deal with Steve Wilson, too far removed from BC Rail trial, or is it a pattern of his hands on everything....... maybe this is why the RCMP named the investigation in the BC Rail raid EVERYWHICHWAY!
 
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You're absolutely correct, Anon 6:57,

and I'm extremely grateful to the Citizen Journalist who sent the clip from Terrace Daily Online.

It's a wonderful new resource.

Can't say I've been "waiting for CanWest to do an expensive FOI" though.

First, I would be remiss if I didn't check the 3 big BC dailies each day.

2) then I go farther afield. But there are HUNDREDS of online blogs, many of which have names which don't provide a clear indication of what they do. So it's not exactly a straightforward task, to tie in with another good-quality news blogger.

3) "since 2007" ... phttt ... this blog has been running hard since May 2006. But hey, we're doing our best. And all together, we do some good.

3) If you pick up on some good news ... or find an excellent online news service for BC issues ... please pass the word around. Bloggers aren't on anybody's payroll ... we work for free ... so the tips are a benefit to us all, and greatly appreciated.
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Government is so short staffed that I tried for 7 days to get through to MSP services, Gave up, called Health Minister's office who transferred me to Finance Min. office and a woman e-mailed me what I needed. Don`t put up with nonsense, call the involved Min. Office via one of the free numbers, tell them what you want and get the info.
This may be called screwing in another direction.
 
Anon 9:05 - if you need to contact them again, keep a log of times and dates.

Maximus (an American company to begin with) is now in charge of the day to day issues with MSP in BC. Our contract with them states that all calls will be answered within a 3 minute time limit - if they aren't, the government has a right to sue.

For a clearer picture visit this link, there is a lot of information in it - some of which might curl your hair: http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/05/06/Maximus/

It's a fairly old story news-wise, but little if anything has changed for the better.
 
FYI,
The warehouse that stores files of BC's mediacal and social servies is an Amerian co.!
Which was broken into 2006(?). Fatass Coleman (then sol/gen), said no need for alarm. This is alarming. But, again, no media dug up the truth.
Face it , we're all sitting ducks.
 
Leah,

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Campbell government to sue Maximus, Accenture, Plutonic, EDS (well maybe EDS, if they failed to completely disappear the BC Rail emails) or any of their other corporate buds (or fellow pigs sharing the trough that used to be our province)!
 
Koot,

Agreed, but the mechanism for doing so is part of the contract. Actually, I believe they have been fined by the gov't twice - but whether or not real money traded hands is anyone's guess.
 
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