Thursday, January 07, 2010
Basi Virk: Robin Mathews to Attorney General: the administration of justice in the province is not fair, impartial, effective, and respectful and is almost openly contemptuous of “the whole community”
January 7, 2010.
The Honourable Michael de Jong,
Attorney General of British Columbia,
Post Box 9044 Stn Prov Govt,
Victoria, B.C. V8W 9E2
The corruption of this government made itself apparent in 2001, and continues to this day as far as I'm concerned. What else are we supposed to think when we see Collins and Dobell's company rewarded with a 100 million dollar government contract today? Especially when they're two of the people likely to be called as witnesses in the BC Rail scandal!
British Columbia seems to have become a sewer for judicial and political misfits. Is this really what we deserve? Is this what we're willing to settle for by our apparent disinterest in the political systems currently running BC? It looks that way.
i do not think this letter deserves any response and would be utterly shocked if he did receive one, if just to say that it was summarily read and disposed of to the trash bin.
Main stream media? Where are you?
May I suggest "TrashBin"?
"Anonymous" comments won't be accepted any longer.
The Attorney General has heard from me as well. For example, in 2008 I received a letter offering to accept from me $1000 in lieu of proceeding with a costs assessment after my appeal of a 2007 decision was unsuccessful. The previous year I had sent them $1000 because I wanted no obstacle to proceeding with the appeal.
In response to the second demand I wrote back to Wally Oppal and one of the things I said was that "I do not voluntarily make donations to criminals or criminal organizations". That was the end of that matter. Needless to say, I was delighted by the spectacular manner in which StoneWally's political career came to an end.
The Ministry of A.G. appears to be the most powerful bureaucracy in this province and in my view the abuse of that power is a systemic problem.
PS: I will suggest another user name for 10:10; "Gordo"
Do you think before you write? Or do you just write what you're told to in PAB fashion?
It would be nice to run out of corruption with this trial (at the justice and political levels) before the province runs out of money funding this b*llsh*t.
Have a good one... .
Robin this is perfect. Full of fact, names, and a good aspect of what is going on in this province. Good work, thanks. I believe I will now write these people a email referring to yor letter in a few days asking why there is no reply when it took 2 ministries only 6 days to make a decision at Cache Creek.
Good stuff Mary! That's exactly what I meant by 'reducing the options'. It's your blog, you set the rules!
I would be willing to put my name in support of his letter in an online petition.
Thank you Robin for your determined PUSH towards the truth.
Speaking of the A.G.
“A channel” news this morning reported that Attorney General Mike de Jong wants to start a pilot project that would see cameras set up in selected courtrooms around BC.
The A.G. was keen to start this project as soon as the technical issues were handled.
A.G.de Jong also added that the cameras would help British Columbians understand the justice system better.
The former A.G. oppal also brought up the camera issue before the last election, saying he was looking into the use of cameras in the courtroom.
Me, being cynical……I wonder what’s up?
Since when has this Campbell government ever wanted British Columbians to understand anything better?
Wow. Has the media reported on this?
and...I've said it before and I'll say it again. Robin Matthews is a courageous and devoted man. What drives you to attend every session of this case and then report and comment about it Robin? I would be interested in hearing your answer to that question.
How does he know they are "sikh"? Maybe they are. They are for sure indo-canadian.
Coincidently, the former Attorny General, Wally Opal, is also an indo canadian. Maybe even a "sikh man"?
Many thanks for adopting a User Name. I can tell you that it makes a very pleasant difference.
I've read and re-read your comment, but I don't really understand your point.
Do you believe that the charges were NOT motivated by racism? That's racism, not religious persuasion.
What's your point?
Are you the same person as "gee Whiz"? If so, PLEASE use that name when you sign in ... or you risk being deleted.
As explained, I am not accepting Anonymous comments any longer.
Robin Mathews never tried to make any case for racism; for discussion purposes, he was wondering why those 3 men were charged while none of those who were in positions of authority were charged,
who, you must admit, were not only different because they had "authority" but, he asked, could it have been something to do with race? (sorry, I don't have the exact wording).
I strongly disagree with your general complaint. I think Robin has made a complex situation much easier to understand, as we search for the real causes of losing a railroad.
What is your opinion, for example, of the long relationship between Bill Berardino, the attorney general, and others who have key positions in the matter but who SHOULD be at arm's length?
Now if Berardino was a family member of Collins, Basi or Virk, Bains, or anyone at Pilothouse, I definately wonder if the fix was in or what.
But no, I have no problem with Berardino getting the work, nor did I ever find Plant anything but solid, pragmatic and competant.
Methinks Mathews sees smoke where none exists, but for steam coming off his over-worked imagination.
Lets get this thing to trial.
What about that bit about being "at arm's length" and not connected ...
that's what Robin is pointing to,
not their competence.
This is for you, a reminder of what Robin actually said:
The connections among Mr. Berardino, Mr. Plant, Mr. Seckel, and Mr. Harris cannot, I think, be ignored. Mr. Seckel (we are told) assisted Mr. Plant in political matters before being appointed deputy Attorney General. And Mr. Berardino was in long professional association with Mr. Seckel until only three years before being appointed Special Crown Prosecutor. All three were in long association with Geoff Plant.
The purpose of the appointment of a Special Crown Prosecutor – especially in cases where politicians, civil servants, or police are involved with, or in some relation to, an accused – is to guarantee to the public the complete absence of bias and to assure the independence from (and therefore, I would say, all freedom from connection with) involved parties.
Enough talk already; lets get the trial started.
I disagree there is any conflict or bias here other than that of the Defence in their desperation to do anything to keep this from going to trial.
OK, so it's two different points of view. Nothing wrong with that. And I certainly agree that it will be a good thing to get that trial going.
Right now I want to thank you for picking a User Name and sticking with it,
it's so much better for me to be able to follow a point of conversation.
I hope others will do the same.
According to Gee Whiz, that does not apply if the partners sell legal services instead of widgets.
Once again, I remind my valued commentors that they may retain 100% of their privacy -- and will also assist me in moderating this forum -- if they adopt a USER NAME of their own choosing. And stick with it.
That way, we can have a more meaningful conversation.
I hope that the Anonymous comment just deleted (about de Jong) will be sent in again with USER NAME attached.
I suggest "ordersfromgordo".
Gee Whiz is a dissembler, a fielder of pointless points and repeater of incantations ("let's get this to trial", over and over). Blathering absurdities in face of powerful facts, as he is doing, is an old tactic of agents provocateurs and "moles" sent to disrupt political organizing. Whether on the payroll of the PAB or not, this guy (and I'm sure it's a guy) can't see, or claims not to, that "at arm's length" would not be only about family, but also about relationships such as those that long-time law partners would have.
Nor do I see any conflict of intest,[sic] real or perceived. is a blatant denial of reality and presumes that his opinion (whoever he is) has some kind of greater weight than anyone else here, including and especially Robin.
A gross denial of reality is what the "prosperity" of BC is built on, and how the government of the corrupt is justified.
It's also pretty clear Gee Whiz wants to nail Basi, Virk and Basi for this all by themselves, and whitewash the role of everyone else.
No doubt, too, the moon is made of lollipops. Green-cheese flavoured lollipops perhaps, but still lollipops.
"I see nothing wrong" is a refrain from this person, over and over and over. Yes, such moral turpitude is a self-enforcing delusion. The inability to see injustice as wrong is the mark of a political psychopath.
This is what I was saying a while ago about how disheartening it was to realize the full scope of sociopathic self-interest in BC, in the context of those who work for, are part of, or campaign for the BC Liberals. it's not just Gordo who displays the trait of complete and vicious insouciance; it's an army of the brainwashed (some of them, no doubt, well-paid for being so).
This person is so insistent on his non-points that I'd make a bet (if we knew who he was) that he's in the food chain associated with the scandal......and in the line of fire if more than BVB are ever charged.
A Victoria police officer accused of leaking information to the media about the former chief has retired, avoiding a disciplinary hearing.
The Victoria Police Department received a complaint in September 2008 regarding then-sergeant Jim Simpson, whose alleged disclosure of documents to the media sparked an investigation into then-chief Paul Battershill. The leaked letter in question triggered a meeting where senior officers aired concerns about Battershill, including his affair with a labour lawyer contracted to provide advice to the police board.
A disciplinary hearing was scheduled for Feb. 1, but with Simpson's retirement, that hearing is cancelled.
Sorry not sure who wrote this story, can any one tell me what page it actually is on in the paper.
from what we know (which certainly isn't the WHOLE story),
this is very good news indeed.
Vancouver Sun Jan 8 2010
The parent company of The Vancouver Sun and The Province, Canwest Limited Partnership and its subsidiaries have filed for creditor protection Friday, January 8, 2010. Please, let me assure you this will not affect you or your relationship with our newspapers.
I certainly saw the editorial announcement and damn near choked ...
Mr Bent (Mr Cave-In Bent) assures us that we'll be receiving the same high quality news reporting ... and hogwash like that,
I mean, I don't like to kick anybody when they're down,
but surely to heaven if he's willing to sink under the weight of Gordo's lies and fakery
then maybe it's no loss to democracy at all.
But it sure is pathetic.
Anyway, I've been suggesting to others how cool it would be if good bloggers could buy one of the 23 newspapers and begin telling all they know about what we need to know,
if you catch my drift. Two current examples: Laila Yuile's current posting on corruption in public works tendering, and Grant Gough's on Gordo's happy new year.
To prove the point, there's a much better news report in The Globe and Mail for Jan. 8, 2010:
CanWest newspapers go on block despite CEO Asper's objections
You paid CanWest in advance?
Just curious: when does your yearly subscription expire? You should have everything you need to know about Tiger Woods and Jay Lenno by then, for sure.
btw, you are right; i see no injustice in the apppointed prosecutor. none. but yet you do. fine. i really dont care if you feel that way or not. yet from the tone and import of your letter, my opinion really seems to bother you. leave that alone. i dont share your opinion; lay off already.
the trial will start with or without my or your shill. so be it.
thanks for responding to my posts; that amuses and thus encourages me!!
Now, expect the newspapers to run stories about how wonderfully well we are served by Canadian banks and how it could be even better if all forms of regulation were assigned to the bankers directly.
I can't wait for the cross-marketing campaigns. Need a loan? How about a 12 month subscription, too?
Good one, Norman Farrell ...
and will the Banks as publishers be any less supportive of Gordo, Gordo's election campaigns, Gordo's lifestyle? I don't think so.
Only in BC?
You silly person, I don't have to pay a year in advance to get one of CanWest's lousy newspapers out of the box.
Btw, how long does your so-called subscription run, anyway? If it runs, that is.
Maybe you should ask CanWest for your money back.
Admittedly, the vibrant community of on-line opinion exchange makes this less important that it used to be. However, real competition benefits consumers, which is why large entrepreneurs aim to eliminate it whenever possible.
You have used the services of Vaughn Palmer, who works for the Vancouver Sun, 60 "lousy" times.
I'll ask again: how much longer does your 1-year prepaid subscription last?
C'mon, you can tell us.
Gosh, you're hard to please. Yes, I've alerted readers many, many times to any news report (no matter where it's published) which mentions Basi-Virk or BC Rail.
I do that respectfully, taking only an intro of their work and then providing the URL so that the reader must go directly to the source for the full story. In other words, Vaugh Palmer gains a few readers ... You see something wrong with that ... ?
It's something which, I believe, is welcomed by anybody who works in journalism.
You want me to boycott Palmer or something?
Btw, I've sent a story or two their way too ... how about that?
I'd still like to know how much longer your 1-year prepaid subscription to a CanWest rag lasts. Oh, and just to be clear: CanWest runs very biased, limited coverage newspapers. Did you know that?
Now I guess the question from you will be....... "Are you going to renew?" I'll wait till March
Barbara Yaffe, Vancouver Sun. Professors aim at Harper for proroguing Parliament .... so that the Conservatives (and other MPs) can have time off from work (with pay) to attend the 2010 Winter Olympics. How is it that the BC Liberals can shut down the BC Legislature (proroguing) just so Premier Gordon Campbell can escape the wrath of the Opposition, and public, over the BC Rail pre-trial proceedings?
Why include any of his address?
THe TC didnt even cover the Bains trial that started this whole mess. YOU had to bring the fact that that Bains was found guilty and sent to prison for 9 yrs to their attention.
How utterly confounding. One may speculate why:
Incompetence? Collusion w/the province? or maybe it was becuase there are fewer reporters due to the fact that news media and adverstising is going the way of the dinosaur, and that mostly all coverage now is of national concern that can be copied to regional and local newspapers within the corporate group so as to fill the papers and save money on reporters at the same time?
Skookum ... where are you? I would love to hear from you; come out and play!!
Commentors adopting their own special User Names has provided an unexpected bonus.
Now I know who participates in the conversation with good ideas.
And now we all know who the A-holes are, too, whining and complaining. You just never quit, do you. Everything and everybody ... all bad, all wrong, according to you.
Too true. CanWest's newspaper in Victoria never did publish a word about the Bains trial, when they could have picked up Ian Mulgrew's Feb 17, 2009 story from Vancouver Sun. For some reason, they didn't.
It leaves us wondering what else CanWest never mentions.
You mean Carol James and the NDP?
Youre joking, right? Funny!
As for the Public, you would know that the news media rarely if ever reports on this trial, so just how would the Public be able to "wrath" anything to Campell when the Public is in the dark as nothing is ever reported on the topic to begin with???
Have you been drinking?
I think BC Mary is showing that she cares about the privacy of others when she attempts to remove such extraneous informaiton from her blogs. As you would be aware, the same cannot be said for other blog masters, who post the complete address as provided on the letters as though they are oblivious to any privacy concerns of the authors.
Remember, these letters were adressed not to an open forum, but to others. As such the Author may have not intended or noticed that his personal address would be made known to everyone on the planet becuase he had put it there on his letter. So its thinking ahead and prudent of BC MAry to anticipate that, and remove part of the address just in case. Harms the import of the letter not. And gets the informaiton out to us all fast than it would if she had to go over all these concerns with the authors first.
So lighten up a little will ya?
Why flame everything and everyone that gets under your skin?
To the witless twerp who wrote in at 8:38 AM
please note again that Anonymous comments (especially those denouncing others for anonymity) are no longer accepted on this site.
I hope you will try again when you're in a better frame of mind. And ready to discuss the topic of BCRAIL.
I too hope to see the Canwest empire broken up into individual units for sale. Lets get some differing opinion and some real competition! I hope this is the time, when we reach critical mass and take back our democracy!
Thanks, BC Mary.
I certainly feel that Beautiful BC, since Gordo has been at the helm, is where justice has become a privelege and not a right.
What a nice message ... thank you!
I guess our best efforts could go into the RECALL petitions,
especially in the riding of Vancouver - Point Grey which could relieve us of Gordo and his decisions.
1) There is nobody worse than Campbell,
2) and I hear that Carole James might not be around much longer, as Opposition leader,
So 3) read 1) again.
Gee Whiz…..January 10,2010 3:25 PM
I wonder if you would like to enlighten the legislature raids readers to which of Robin Mathews comments you disagree with and why?
I dont even know if BVB are Sikh men, something Mathers has stated in a letter as if fact.
Last I checekd, Sikhism is a religion, not a race or nationality.
I am unaware of any statement by any of the accused in respect of their faith. I assume all were born in Canada and none of them practice Sikhism, as none of them where turbans.
I do notice that Basi Virk and Basi are of east indian decent, and that as such we may pc refer to them as indo-canadian.
I note that the previous attorny general was indo-canadian and appeared to have no bias for or against other indo-canadians.
I notice that Jim Duncan and Tony Young are not indo-canadian, yet they too have been charged with various crimes connected to Basi.
So where is the racism?
You are so mistaken.
To begin, the names of each of the three accused is:
Udhe (Dave) Singh Basi
Bobby Singh Virk
Aneal Singh Basi
and if you look up the meaning of the word Singh, I think you will find that it is a Sikh reference.
Be that as it may ... there were more people involved in the BCRail-CN deal than Basi, Virk, or Basi ... people who were NOT Sikh ...
especially those who allegedly paid bribes to Basi, but who were NOT Sikh,
and they were not arrested.
So it is fair and reasonable, when exploring a question such as: if 4 people commit a crime and only 2 of them are charged, is that because of racism ...
so what is your problem with that ... or have you figured out that it is OK for Kierans and Bornmann to receive better treatment for no reason at all ...
Wasnt the Attonry General also Sikh?
For all you know, all of those charged also happen to be Scorpios.
The connectioon Mathews is trying to make in respect of racisim is such nonsense, and I dont think you have established any evidence.
Are Jim Duncan or Tony Jones Sikh? Scorpios?
There's obviously no point in continuing this circular conversation. You aren't searching for understanding.
Mathews has, imo, presented NO evidence that the charges and prosecution were motivated by racsim, and neither have you.
The reason WHY others were not charged we will not know until the trial starts and we hear the evidence and the wire tap details. Who said what. Who offered or asked for a bribe and how it was presented, what was expected in return, etc and so on. I cant wait!!!!!!!! Until then, you arnt exploring anything. You are speculating, speculating over the pale of the absurd I might add.
Imagine police recommending charges if only becuase of the colour of skin of the alleged offending party. I dont buy that at all. Not here in Victoria anyway.
I acknowlege that many indo canadians have been charged connected to this mess, some already covicted (bains, 9 yrs), but Jones and Duncan do not fit the profile of being a Sikh. But even if they did, so what? Proves nothing, other than there was a comminality that had nothing to do with the activities they are alleged to have commited. Their trial will resolve that, I hope.
Please BC Mary, if you have anything palapable, Mathews would have disclosed that by now. I think the accusation of racisim is really, really cheap and tired.
I do admit though, I am very intregued as to why Bornmann didnt get charged with anything, what sort of sweet heart deal he got, and why it was so necessary. This I gotta hear...!
Read my lips: you have misunderstood something Robin said. HE WAS NOT ADVOCATING RACISM. He posed the question, for discussion purposes: could the arrest of Basi, Virk, Basi have been a question of racism?
We don't know the answer to that,
but I don't see how you can read that, and then come up with the crazy idea that Robin Mathews believes in racism.
So what if you say he isnt advocating racism. Neither were the police officers advocating racism when they recommended charges and the Crown aproved some or all of them.
Or are you suggesting I said that Mathews was advocating racisim?
If so, read back; I have never said that. What I have said is that I disagree with Mathews when he offered up the absurd notion (on more than one occasion) that the charges and prosecution was motivated somehow by racism.
Read Mathews lips however you like, but I think its absolutely unfounded and absurd and serves no one other than the uninformed, the niave, and of course those who are trying to manufacture doubt where none otherwise exists.
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